15 May 2015

Nova Gente: Interview With Gonçalo Amaral

For the first time, Gonçalo Amaral speaks about the case that destroyed his career, his family and his health...

“My life is gone, I’m only alive due to my heart”

Condemned to pay 500 thousand euro to the parents of Maddie, the little English three-year-old girl that disappeared in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, on the 3rd of May of 2007, the former inspector will fight until the last legal instance, because he is “a free man and citizen” with “the right to express opinions”.

What was your reaction when you found out that the verdict from the court was unfavourable to you in the defamation suit that the McCanns filed against you?

I found out about the verdict through a friend who called me telling me about the news on the radio. I immediately called my lawyer, but he hadn’t been notified and the verdict was not in the process. It’s sad, but my lawyer could only access the sentence, that afternoon, because a British journalist sent it to him by e-mail. There is no doubt that the couple’s lawyer has good connections at the court. My reaction was one of calm and a wish to read the full contents of the verdict as soon as it was available on the Citius website, which only happened the next day, but with the date of the previous day. Mysteries which the webs of justice weave.

Were you surprised?

I wasn’t surprised, it was one of the open possibilities, but after the decision about the matter of fact, which was favourable to me, I trusted that the verdict would come in the same direction.

Do you think there are errors in the process? Do you feel wronged?

Those are not mistakes, but value judgements and understandings that are contrary to mine and to that of many other jurists. As for feeling wronged… What do you think? I can only ask if those who, for more than five nights, left their three children, aged three and two, to their own devices in a house within an unknown space, subjecting them to a thousand dangers, while they were partying with friends – not to mention the amounts of alcohol that was ingested on those occasions -, still has the right to be compensated. They practiced a crime of exposing and abandoning defenceless children and they weren’t even accused of that fact. Looking at our criminal legislation, at the English child protection legislation and at cases that recently happened with British subjects in the Algarve, after drunken nights, all that I can say is that the McCann couple is primarily responsible for their daughter’s disappearance. She only disappeared because they neglected her guard and, as parents, they were obliged to it. It is a fact that they lost their daughter, but that doesn’t give them the right to sue anyone or to be compensated. They can’t escape their guilt, which is enough to rob them of their sleep, to provoke a lack of appetite and even rage, but against themselves and not against someone who only wrote down what happened during the first five months of the investigation, according to what is in the case files. If compensation takes place, all that I can do is warn you: be careful, there’s people who may turn this into a new business!

Don’t you feel revolted by this verdict?

I don’t feel revolt, but I do not conform to it, I still trust our country’s justice system, for which I have worked for over 25 years, and I still am a free citizen with all my rights. On the other hand, even the question that Maddie’s siblings, then aged two, may someday read my book and become traumatized doesn’t concern me. Those two children were also abandoned for over five nights in a row and surely they will understand that what is written there is the result of a criminal investigation.

There is a question that those two children will certainly ask when they grow up but that question will be directed at the parents: why were they abandoned, left to their own devices? Those children are free to think and to conclude that whatever happened to their daughter could have happened to one of them. The parents can only fear that their two children who did not disappear on that tragic night revolt against them.

The court says that you caused Maddie’s parents and siblings moral damages…

In my understanding, there are no damages that, objectively and factually, may have resulted from my writing. Which is to say, there is no causal nexus between the book or the documentary and any damages. On the other hand, what is spoken about, like the feelings of rage, it can hardly be considered a damage.

The couple demanded one million two hundred thousand euro. The court has sentenced you to pay 500 thousand euro – including interest since 2010 – over damages that were caused by the publication of the book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira. Aren’t both the request and the damages awarded by the court exaggerated?

There is no defamation crime, I haven’t been tried over any crime, if at all I am being tried over an offence of opinion, something unthinkable 40 years after the revolution of April of 1974, which ended the [fascist] Estado Novo, censorship and all the means that oppressed Portuguese citizens from thinking, speaking and writing freely. On the other hand, what is in the book is in the process, those are not lies, that can be verified by comparing the case files with the book and this court has not put that truth at stake. Nonetheless, a compensation of that amount only clarifies that the McCann couple is worth more than any Portuguese citizen, dead or alive, and that they are above any god or divinity, which, according to politicians, Portuguese intellectuals and others from the so-called democratic world can be criticized, ridiculed and satirized. Look at the discussions about the terrorist attacks against French newspaper Charlie Hebdo… With my book I did not defame, nor did I have the intention to defame anyone, but merely to report what happened during the first five months of the investigation, thus replying to the attacks against my good name and my professional dignity. There is no, no can there be any, reserve duty that superimposes our right to react and to defend ourselves from defamation and injustice, putting the truth back when our fundamental rights are violated, even when the authors of such attacks are subjects of a powerful country, to which Portugal has always bowed, with a short interregnum when the Portuguese Republic was founded, largely a result of the English ultimatum.

Apart from the payment, the court decreed the prohibition of the sale of new editions of the book Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira. Nevertheless, the Appellate Court had decided to annul this prohibition back in 2010…

This court has not undone what had been decided by Lisbon’s Appellate Court within the injunction that was filed by the complainants. It should be clarified that the only decision that has, so far, become effective is that of Lisbon’s Appellate Court. That is the only one that is in force, the rest is still subject to appeal and it will take a few years to come into force, while I hope that our superior courts will see this differently from the lower court. This is just the judicial system working, therefore we need to remain calm.

In a more practical manner, I can say that the claimants, the McCanns, haven’t won anything yet, they only lost, namely with the decision from Lisbon’s Appellate Court, which is very clear in stating that the rights that have been violated were mine, that I, within the exercise of freedom of speech, could write the book and practiced no illicit action.

With this prohibition, are you forbidden from emitting an opinion about the case or about the McCann couple?

I am a free man, and like any other citizen in this country, I have the right to express my opinions. I was a Criminal Investigation coordinator, a policeman, and there is no reserve duty, a functional or merely instrumental thing, from the exercise of a profession, that superimposes a fundamental right and freedom of expression. To state that the duty of reserve limits freedom of expression for life, or even during the exercise of the profession of policeman, is to elevate that duty, which is merely administrative, above freedom of expression and fundamental rights, consecrated in the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and on the European Convention of Human Rights.

When you wrote the book, did it ever occur to you that you could be committing an offence?

I wrote the book because I, those who worked with me and the institution of the Judiciary Police were being put at stake. My good name and professional honour were severely attacked. In a first phase, I started by writing to the Judiciary Police’s national director, asking him to allow me to defend myself publicly or to come out to defend us, and I obtained no reply. Today, after all these years, I know that Dr. Alípio Ribeiro never received my letter, which was simply set aside by someone hierarchically below him.

Faced with the inertia and the silence from the institution that I belonged to, which, in my opinion, had the duty and the obligation to come out and defend the men and women who, with their work and great sacrifice, tried to protect it by performing an investigation at the level of any minimally developed country, I decided to ask for my retirement, and to report the criminal investigation that had been carried out and the conclusions that were reached up to the moment that I coordinated said investigation. At that time we already knew that the case was going to be shelved and the investigation abruptly ended. Everything was being prepared in that sense with the agreement, at least tacit, from the parents of the missing child, with the case files being delivered to journalists by the Public Ministry, which in itself question the duty of reserve to which, according to some experts, the policemen were subject to.

The book was a way to reply to the humiliation and the offences that I have been targeted with. Deep down, that was it: they say we are incompetent, they say we are a third world police force, drunkards, fat, lazy, etc., etc., and the Judiciary Police does not set out to defend us. Therefore I turned to writing, reporting the investigation that had been carried out, so people could draw their own conclusions. What happened next is known.

Do you feel abandoned by the intellectuals and the writers of this country?

Since I left the Judiciary Police, I am part of no institution, I have no political party, nor am I a member of any sports, recreational, cultural or social association, I do not belong to any congregation or obedience. I wrote three books (Maddie: A Verdade da Mentira; A Mordaça Inglesa; Vidas Sem Defesa), but I do not consider myself a writer. I’m an outsider.

Is freedom of expression not compromised by this type of verdict?

What is happening to me, since 2009, is an attack against freedom of expression and a trial over an offence of opinion. The intellectuals of this country, in general, have reacted with indifference. I am not part of their group, and to make things worse I’m an ex-policeman, something that is reproved by many. As far as I remember, only Dr. Francisco Teixeira da Mota, when the Appeals Court’s decision came out, wrote about the matter, saying that the decision had been correct, as the Portuguese State risked being condemned by the European Court for Human Rights… Someone asked me why the Portuguese Authors’ Society had not come out to defend freedom of expression and to denounce the attack that is underway. I replied I was not a member, which may explain the silence.

Are you still dedicated to writing?

I continue to write, but I have yet to decide when to publish. At the moment, I am writing my memoirs about the profession of criminal investigator.

Why are you economically suffocated? Your house in Tavira went to the bank, your consultancy firm had to close, one third of your pension is arrested…

To all of those questions I only reply that my life is gone. If I am alive, it’s due to the heart that I have.

Have you never considered suing the McCanns over the damages that they caused to your family?

Each thing in its own time, it won’t be only the McCanns, but their group of friends, and other people and entities that will be sued. There is an illicit action that was indeed performed, the neglect in guarding their children, which caused direct damages to many people, not only to myself, but for example to the Ocean Club workers, who were fired and saw their lives change, many of them unjustly passing from mere employees and heads of family to suspects in a criminal investigation, while they had nothing to do with the matter.

Is there a project that you would like to realise some day?

I would like to channel all the support that I have been receiving into the creation of an institution to support children and teenagers at risk, in a perspective of educating them for life, escaping the benefits perspective, promoting and building life projects with them, helping them to escape marginalization and the labeling process.

With so many problems, do you still have time to dream?

Dreaming is a part of free men, it costs no money, it can’t be bought, and we just live and feel it.

What remains unexplained in this case?

I don’t answer that question. Faced with what was said by the couple, after the verdict was known, that they felt stronger, I just feel like saying that only vampires become stronger with their victims’ blood. Like Zeca Afonso [Portuguese songwriter and singer] sang, “they eat everything”…

Text: Alexandra Ferreira (alexandra.lemos.ferreira@impala.pt);
Photos: Lusa, Paula Alveno and IMPALA

in: Nova Gente, 15.05.2015, paper edition


  1. Leanne Baulch8:25 am

    It's devastating to read this interview, Gonçalo deserved the right to defend his name, he has been smeared, vilified and had his life put on hold for having an opinion, an opinion based on the official police files. This isn't over, and Gonçalo's support is growing everyday, the UK, and Portugal are behind him, every step of the way, no matter how tough it gets.

  2. Dignity personified,what a wonderful man and one day I hope true justice is finally served and Dr Goncalo Amaral stands tall again
    Much love and support in uk this lovely peaceful man xx

  3. Anonymous8:55 am

    Such a sad tale, hopefully this should tug at the heart strings of many more people and get them donating to the fund of this truly amazing man. Dig deep people and give generously.

  4. This has to be read, not only in Portugal and the UK, but anywhere in the world. So let's copy & multiply it, on- and offline.

  5. Anonymous8:59 am

    Proverbs 12:19, "The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment." Keep strong Goncalo the truth will out

  6. Such an amazing man - may justice prevail in the end!

  7. Anonymous9:04 am

    What this poor man has suffered is unbelievable,all at the hands of the mccanns , the british gov are a joke and in my mind corrupt as well,makes you wonder just WHO the gov are protecting and I don't mean the mccanns.
    A big thank you to Leanne for getting this off the ground and to all who donated a BIG WELL DONE. justice is coming for Madeleine,Brenda and Snr Amalaral

  8. Anonymous9:08 am

    I really like the child neglect angle that he has used, it will really get him the support he deserves by more people turning against the McCanns. This will have a really positive effect on the fund, raising some much needed cash in the name of this dignified and truly humble gentleman.

  9. loz lorraine9:31 am

    crying reading this, heartbroken for this eloquent and dignified man. I can't wait for the day that he sues the mcanns, lorraine kelly , the disgusting rags that attack him , all of them !

  10. Gonçalo Amaral, please take strength from the thousands of people who are trying to help you. I cannot imagine the intolerable situation you have found yourself in since two British NHS doctors chose to ruin, not only your life, but those of their own three children, especially three year old Maddie. My heart breaks for you.

  11. Anonymous9:37 am

    Galatians 6:7-8

    Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

    1. Anonymous12:44 pm

      Couldn't agree more. The McCanns will be judged by the god they apparently serve.

  12. Anonymous10:05 am

    The man's health is my main concern, stay strong now Dr Amaral, please do not put yourself through more torture with further legal recourse. Perhaps appeal the value of the damages of this claim but I would strong advise against sueing the McCann's for their responsibility of neglect. Portugal allowed at the time (and still do) child listening services, action of this manner is doomed to fail. Hold your family close now, enjoy the simple and free things in life and let God guide your future.
    God Bless xxx

    1. Anonymous12:48 pm

      There will be no closure for Goncalo Amaral until the smear campaign is ended in court. He will then be free, like the rest of us, to express an opinion about what really happened to Madeleine McCann. We all have that right and to have it smothered by others shows that some people feel threatened by opinions. That in turn shows they have something to hide.

  13. Anonymous10:12 am

    I have tears in my eyes reading this, you have touched me in so many ways Snr Amaral. I have a special side table with your framed photograph alongside framed photographs of Madeleine and Brenda. Justice for you all is coming soon I hope and pray. May God and his angels watch over you all. xxx

  14. Anonymous10:21 am

    Really what a chap eh ? his sincerity comes from within this man and I think we all here can actually feel it as we read. I hope his dream of what he would like to spend rest of his life ,comes to fruitation and maybe we might just be the help in a small way to help him do that joyce1938

  15. Anonymous10:26 am

    Can I suggest that you put the link to the gofundme page at the bottom of this article, at least for the time while the fundraising's going on?

  16. Gonçalo Amaral, You have the truth and most of the world on your side. The mccanns lies have to catch up with them one day, the truth will come out and your good self, Maddie and Brenda can get justice. Personally i hope you sue the mccanns and their so called friends. They seem to sue anyone and everyone who dont agree with one of their many many versions of that night and theres been a few. You have became Maddies voice. I personally dont believe in the neglect story, i think it was a cover to fake abduction but the mccanns have said they left their babies all alone, thats neglect, yet they have gone on to make millions destroying people on the way, i have never known a case where child neglecters have got paid and kept informed on the case. one big cover up, someone imo is protecting the mccanns but who? and mostly why?. You have a lot of support here hope it gives you strength and hope.good luck xx How many more lives destroyed or lost because of the mccanns?

  17. Stay Strong Snr Amaral. you are a decent brave man, like little maddie you both have hit the hearts of millions x

  18. For truth and justice please donate, gofundme.com/legal-defencepjga … Maddies voice x

  19. Anonymous12:55 pm

    An interview full to the brim of dignity, honesty and integrity, Gonçalo Amaral is to be congratulated on his conduct over the last few years during which he has been exposed to the most fierce and unjust opposition that would have broken the spirit of the most stalwart individual.

    This has become all the more acute in light of the recent court judgement in the McCann vs Amaral damages claim.

    Along with many thousands of others, I would like to wish Dr Amaral well in his forthcoming appeal against this verdict, for both his and his family's sakes, and for the sake of justice and the constitutional right to freedom of expression.

  20. Anonymous1:07 pm

    Here is the link for anyone who wishes to donate to the fund to aid Goncalo Amaral. Good luck Goncalo we will be with you all the way. http://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA

  21. Anonymous1:14 pm

    Madeleine, Eddie, Keela, Brenda, Dawn and Goncalo is almost there now as well! How many more needless deaths do there need to be before people wake up and give to Goncalos fund for Justice for them all.

  22. Anonymous1:28 pm

    The stress & strain must be terrible for you dear man,i know you will be vindicated one day,hopefully sooner rather than later,something is very disturbing about the McCann case,i don't know personally anyone who believes the McCanns at all,they say there's something wrong about them.God Bless youxxxx

  23. Anonymous2:38 pm

    Snr Amaral, I broke down in tears on reading your interview today. I hope you can draw comfort from the growing army of British people who are appalled and ashamed at such sustained cruelty inflicted on you by our malign UK press and media at the behest of a rotten British Establishment. There are many people involved in this cover-up and they will, one by one, have the penetrating beam of Truth turned on them, of that I have no doubt. For a cover- up of this duration and magnitude to continue it does not take a genius to follow evidence to where it must lead. This relentless and unequal domination of you through the misuse of state power has finally come down a struggle against evil. The sham democracy that has so far concealed this iniquity is breaking apart revealing two rotten liars who have held sway for too long. They have been allowed to heap merciless suffering on a decent man and his family all these years whilst raking in money from a gullible public to silence anyone who questions their bogus story. May God continue to surround you with His light, Mr Amaral. For anyone can discern the light of Truth shining out of you.

  24. Anonymous3:02 pm

    "It should be clarified that the only decision that has, so far, become effective is that of Lisbon’s Appellate Court. That is the only one that is in force"

    Nesse caso é triste verificar que o biblos do Dr. Amaral não se encontra a venda nem na Bertrand, nem na FNAC, nem na Wook, nem ... não se encontra! Só usado.

    Será que andam todos a tremer com medo de Mamon e dos farejados Mau-Canos?

  25. Anonymous3:02 pm

    The song by the great Zeca Afonso mentioned by Mr. Amaral ,and that fits the McCanns like a glove:



  26. Anonymous5:14 pm

    For a beautiful, strong, amazing human being

    We're no strangers to love
    You know the rules and so do I
    A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
    You wouldn't get this from any other guy

    I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
    Gotta make you understand

    Never gonna give you up
    Never gonna let you down
    Never gonna run around and desert you
    Never gonna make you cry
    Never gonna say goodbye
    Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

  27. The £ 1000 donation from PM. A powerful in the face-statement.
    Hopefully with the right consequences: more conviction, more donors, more people behind the right cause.

    1. Anonymous2:22 am

      £1000 de uma rodada para o Fundo de Defesa doados por um certo P.M.

      Veja aqui: http://www.gofundme.com/legal-defencepjga

      O PM por certo não será o David Cameron - um simpatizante dos McCanns ...

      Importante notar as palavras que o/a doador/a acrescentou como comentário:

      "Em memoria de minha mãe que faleceu o ano passado. Era magistrada. Foi com ela que aprendi a ter os valores certos. Chamem-me "troll" se quiserem mas isto (doar) para mim significa fazer a coisa certa.

      Quando o povão apelidava a policia de PIGS os últimos concordavam esclarecendo que o "P" significava Pride (Orgulho), o "I" integridade, o "G" e o "S" Guts (coragem). Qualidades que, a meu ver, o senhor (Dr. G. Amaral) possuie."

      Portugueses, tomem nota ............................

    2. Anonymous1:22 pm

      @2:22 "Portugueses, tomem nota....."

      Refere-se por certo aos "Portugueses" capacho da casta de magistrados como os M e C, e outros cunhas, mas tem outro tipo de Português, mais ao estilo do GA - a casta dos heróis! Quase sempre tesos mas sem papas na língua nem medo de Mamon.........

  28. Anonymous8:20 pm

    Stay strong. You have the heart of a lion and a following that is larger than you know. Many people are right behind you and wish you nothing but the very best.

  29. You have the boundless integrity that those who would persecute you would never understand or fathom. I can also see that your integrity has always been more important than social standing or financial gain. I understand, completely, where you are coming from. Your attackers fight to remove your financial security and respect but these are things that shallow people crave and fear losing. You have a wealth they cannot take from you, riches they can never attain. I salute you Sir.

  30. This brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat. Thousands of people are having their eyes opened to what is a great injustice to an innocent man. Gonçalo can have faith and hope that as time goes by more people will choose to support his fight for the TRUTH and together we shall be one huge voice seeking justice for yourself and Madeleine. We shall never give up. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gon%C3%A7alo-Amaral-The-Truth-Of-The-Lie/375458152639478

  31. Anonymous3:12 am

    I have been quietly at your side since 2007. I will remain at your side until your last day on this earth. I am truth. With me, you need to fear no one and nothing.

  32. 'No thief can steal your will' said Marcus Aurelius.
    Thanks to the recent publicity many more people now know that the official story of the little girl' disappearance is untrue. The verdict seems to have been poplular only with the press. The internet proves the opposite and many more people are now looking at the files instead of the headlines.
    We're with you for as long as it takes.

  33. Anonymous11:41 pm

    It happens to many at some time or another that in the course of our work we feel obliged to do the opposite that our conscience dictates. What separates us from each other is the path that we choose. Look behind you, Goncalo Amaral because where you go we will follow. Because you chose the right path. And you are not alone.

  34. Anonymous1:00 am

    Uma noticiazinha muito interessante e muito à propos ...

    O governo rê-eleito do David Camarão - grande fã dos McCanns e figura chave do "Chipping Norton Set" - o grupinho de reflexão por detrás da tentativa do assassínio simbólico do Dr. Gonçalo Amaral (consta) - promete agora acabar com a "Lei dos Direitos Humanos de 1998" (devido á ressonância desta com a Convenção Europeia dos Direitos Humanos) e substituir a mesma por uma "Carta dos Direitos Britânicos" (manguito)

    A ultima passara a ditar - numa base pontual - quais os direitos a que o povo Britânico tem direito no seu dia a dia e, mais importante, quais aqueles que terão direito aos mesmos!

    Em sequencia deste acto iminente de pirataria legislativa do governo do Camarão, a organização Amnistia Internacional acaba de alertar todos os Britânicos para a golpada!


    Aqui entre nós, penso que a legendaria organização dos Direitos Humanos está a exagerar.

    A nova "Carta dos Direitos Britânicos" a introduzir pelo governo do Camarão, visa apenas elevar (salvo seja) os direitos do povo Britânico por forma a coloca-los ao nível dos do povo Português - como de resto ficou assente muito recentemente na decisão ex-cathedra da douta juíza Portuguesa Fel e Caspa.

    Drs. Gonçalo Amaral e Miguel Cruz Rodrigues favor tomarem nota - se é que a noticia lhes passou despercebida ...

  35. Anonymous12:58 pm

    A cover-up is the British Establishment's way when there are dirty little secrets they don't want the world to know about. The British government are reaching the point when they must decide whether it is more damaging to Britain's reputation to continue with transparent deceit or follow the evidence wherever it leads. Mr Cameron has often said, 'No one is above the law'. Well, cometh the hour, cometh the man, so let him prove that all are equal under the law. If he does not do the right thing soon, this case will boil over into a national crisis.

  36. Biddymaggie10:07 pm

    I have known the truth since I read your book online. Stay strong good man. The truth must prevail.

  37. Anonymous1:41 am

    Dear Mr. Amaral, it is not just your human rights that are at risk! Ours too!

    David Cameron - who sent in Scotland Yard to discredit the work of the Portuguese police on behalf of the McCanns' - is now planning to scrap the Human Rights Act (in accordance with the European Convention) and replace it with a British Bill of Rights which - according to experts - would "allow the government of the day to pick and choose which rights we can have, and which of us can have it".

    The irony is that once the "British Bill of Rights" is imposed on us, the McCanns' will no longer be able to take their beef to the European Court of Human Rights! Whereas you still can - if necessary, that is.

    That said, from what I have read and understood, for an appeals' court in Portugal to fail to overrule the pathetic sentence of Ms. Castro, would introduce a serious precedent in Portuguese Law. That, plus allowing a corrupt police force, such as Scotland Yard, to roam free in Portugal (manipulating evidence?) would make your country look like a subservient Banana Republic.




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  39. Anonymous1:33 am


  40. Anonymous2:05 am

    This just goes to show us all that not only is Goncalo's heart huge, it is also very strong. I'm disgusted the mccanns have been allowed to do this.

  41. Anonymous12:29 pm

    The fact is that whatever happened to tiny Madeleine, it was due to her parents and was avoidable even if not foreseeable.
    They certainly should not be compensated by a cop who more or less stated that.